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blaise · Sep 10, 2006, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I Hope their will be new skills for rit and sin, it would be un-balance
like warrior got 200 skills and rt like 70 or something =\

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 10, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Feme Assassin

this really sucks i ve spend tons of money in my sin and now i am really pissed off with anet i hope they will just make another sf style area in cantha

Gaile has stated it's unlikely they'll ever do another update like sf. Sf was only added cause Factions being the first expansion took twice as long as the projected time.

Saphatorael · Sep 10, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

ANet has confirmed 300 new skills for Nightfall... even IF the Factions-only professions actually get new skills (which many people would like, apparantly), then it'll only be a few, my guess would be 5-8 skills, of which probably a few elite.

If we do some maths...
300 new skills.
25 for each core profession.
-> 25*6= 150
Atm there are 59 Paragon skills and a few more Dervish skills (i think?), let's make that a total of 125 Nightfall-only Profession skills.
Leaves 25 spots open.
...for now... for either a few more Paragon/Dervish skills, or for Factions-only professions...

If people start hoping that those remaining slots will be for Ritualist and Assassin, beg a little more... but don't start whining if those last skills are actually for the Dervish or Paragon, OR if they're disappointingly crappy...
ANet might actually add in those Ritualist or Assassin skills to a Nightfall-only trainer, to convince people to buy Factions... or those skills will only be buyable by Ritualists and Assassins (who can only be started in Factions), IN Nightfall (so you basically must have both Factions and Nightfall to get those skills, though they're only usable by Canthan characters)

It's up to ANet... but i'd rather see no new Ritualist nor Assassin skills... people who want to keep those professions, only do it to get better by combining it with newer stuff...

I'm keeping my assassin, knowing that she'll benefit off both new professions skills (already been thinking up builds), as well as the adrenal skills from the Paragon (won't be hard to charge it with your higher attack speed rate (due to double strikes)
Also the reason why i deleted my Ritualist... it's too narrowminded, and i can't think of any new combinations for a primary ritualist other than either Rt/N for minion mastery, Rt/R for spirit spamming and... well, that's all basically...
My assassin can use adrenal skills, a pet (i've played in RA with a pet who effectively helped me spike targets), selfheals/protection prayers (Protective Spirit=win against Afflicted), Conditions Removal and Curses, extra damage (Conjure Flame, Frost, etc. as well as Shock and even Wards), annoyance/hex spammage, or giving myself a weapon spell... and these are just ideas that popped up in my mind in less than 2 minutes.

Some people are too narrowminded, i fear...they should think out of the box/continent/campaign, try thinking of newer ways to use characters that are bound to one campaign only!

It's still your own choice if you want your own PvE Paragon or Dervish in Nightfall, perhaps people will actually try their best to create better builds using the growing number of profession combinations instead of just creating a standard W/Mo for that matter, i can already imagine the W/P and the D/Mo or D/E's...

but who knows... if we all whine enough, we might actually get just a couple of more skills for them

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 10, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Factions had 30 skills for each core profession not 25(even though five were basically copies). Also, what some people are saying is that new skills for the sin/rit wont actually be a part of Nightfall, they might just be added to Cantha around the time Nightfall goes live.

GloryFox · Sep 10, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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posted by Saphatorael
ANet has confirmed 300 new skills for Nightfall..

Sorry ANET has not stated that yet, get your facts straight. The only interview quote that says 300 skills is new PC Gamer interview. In that article it also specifically states there will be new skills for the Ritualist and Assassin.

Furthermore (RUMOR) I have not way of confirming this but some beta testers are saying they are adding some NEW anti Ritual Lord Skills for the Mesmer.

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 10, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Sorry ANET has not stated that yet, get your facts straight. The only interview quote that says 300 skills is new PC Gamer interview. In that article it also specifically states there will be new skills for the Ritualist and Assassin.

I'm pretty sure Anet did officially confirm that at some point. I really don't feel like combing through the news archive on the official site just for you but gamestop does have 300 new skills listed(as well as 4 new guild halls) and 300 is the same number of skills Factions had so it's even more plausible. And don't pull that tired old argument of gamestop making it up, if you recall they were 100% correct about the contents of the CE when they released the info like a week before Anet officially did. And also, try not to be so harsh when you think you're correcting someone, it may just come back to slap you in the face.

GloryFox · Sep 10, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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posted by Knightsaber Sith
And also, try not to be so harsh when you think you're correcting someone, it may just come back to slap you in the face.

Although I may come off strong on this issue it is because I personally would like to see more skills implemented to these GREAT classes. Until ANET says no more skills or until Nightfall’s release I will continue to separate fact from friction and there is a lot of fiction over what ANET allegedly said on this issue. More often then not when you do the research I have done you will find out ANET never said NO to the idea of more skills for SIN’s and RIT’s.

Saphatorael · Sep 10, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Sorry ANET has not stated that yet, get your facts straight. The only interview quote that says 300 skills is new PC Gamer interview. In that article it also specifically states there will be new skills for the Ritualist and Assassin.

Furthermore (RUMOR) I have not way of confirming this but some beta testers are saying they are adding some NEW anti Ritual Lord Skills for the Mesmer.

From a press release, July 18th:

• Customizable Heroes (party NPCs) that level up with the player, follow player instructions in combat, and use armor, weapons, and skills of the player’s choice.

• A new game type, Hero vs. Hero Battles will allow a single player to participate in PvP with hero NPCs.

• Two new professions: The Dervish, a scythe-wielding holy warrior and The Paragon, the guardian angels of the Elonian people.

• 4 new guild halls.

• 300 new skills.

• 250 Quests, 55 explorable areas, 20 new Story Missions, and three new Challenge Missions.

Get your facts straight

Oh, and anti-ritual lord skills? It's for the mesmer. There already is Unnatural Signet (waaaaaaaay too overlooked imo), wouldn't be surprised if there'd be another anti-ritualist skill for a CORE PROFESSION (hint, hint).

I'm not flaming you or anything, i just don't want people to keep their hopes hope, only to be disappointed when Nightfall comes around.

Lifeinthefridge · Sep 10, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Saphatorael

From a press release, July 18th:

• Customizable Heroes (party NPCs) that level up with the player, follow player instructions in combat, and use armor, weapons, and skills of the player’s choice.

• A new game type, Hero vs. Hero Battles will allow a single player to participate in PvP with hero NPCs.

• Two new professions: The Dervish, a scythe-wielding holy warrior and The Paragon, the guardian angels of the Elonian people.

• 4 new guild halls.

• 300 new skills.

• 250 Quests, 55 explorable areas, 20 new Story Missions, and three new Challenge Missions.

Get your facts straight

Oh, and anti-ritual lord skills? It's for the mesmer. There already is Unnatural Signet (waaaaaaaay too overlooked imo), wouldn't be surprised if there'd be another anti-ritualist skill for a CORE PROFESSION (hint, hint).

I'm not flaming you or anything, i just don't want people to keep their hopes hope, only to be disappointed when Nightfall comes around.

Actually you should get your facts right on gwonline it has just been confirmed in a thread about one of the owners of th Pc gamer magazine. An interview is with Alex Weeks, in it he states YES THERE WILL BE NEW SKILLS FOR THE ASSASSIAN AND RITUALIST and this has been confirmed by several alpha testers o btw

Just fyi unnatural signent sucks..... it sucks theres no getting around it ... it sucks its obvious you have little pvp exp unatrual signent is like a waste of a skill slot, instead of taking an hour using unatrual to kill one spirit you could just wand it with a ranger or warrior and kill it in 2 hits....

GloryFox · Sep 10, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Saphatorael
From a press release, July 18th:

• Customizable Heroes (party NPCs) that level up with the player, follow player instructions in combat, and use armor, weapons, and skills of the player’s choice.

• A new game type, Hero vs. Hero Battles will allow a single player to participate in PvP with hero NPCs.

• Two new professions: The Dervish, a scythe-wielding holy warrior and The Paragon, the guardian angels of the Elonian people.

• 4 new guild halls.

• 300 new skills.

• 250 Quests, 55 explorable areas, 20 new Story Missions, and three new Challenge Missions.

Get your facts straight

Oh, and anti-ritual lord skills? It's for the mesmer. There already is Unnatural Signet (waaaaaaaay too overlooked imo), wouldn't be surprised if there'd be another anti-ritualist skill for a CORE PROFESSION (hint, hint).

I'm not flaming you or anything, i just don't want people to keep their hopes hope, only to be disappointed when Nightfall comes around.

Sorry get your facts straight again that press release says the following.

http://www.guildwars.com/press/relea...2006-07-18.php

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ArenaNet Announces Guild Wars Nightfall

Guild Wars Players Invited to Play in Exclusive Player-Versus-Player Event as Beta Testing Launches for Next Guild Wars Campaign

July 18, 2006 (BELLEVUE, WA) — ArenaNet®, developer of the world's leading subscription-free online roleplaying games Guild Wars® and Guild Wars FactionsTM, and NCsoft® Corporation, the world's leading developer and publisher of online computer games, announce today the title of the next game in the award-winning franchise, Guild Wars NightfallTM. Further, Guild Wars Nightfall has entered the beta testing stage and Guild Wars players worldwide are invited to participate in an exclusive, first-look player-versus-player (PVP) event, July 28 — 30, 2006.

During the PVP Preview Event, both Guild Wars and Guild Wars Factions® players will get a first look at Guild Wars Nightfall, and will be able to try out the two new professions being introduced in the game; the Dervish, a scythe-wielding holy warrior, and the Paragon, guardian angel of the Elonian people. In addition to testing out the new professions and arenas, players will also be able to compete for items that will be exchangeable for a variety of rewards throughout the weekend event.

The Guild Wars Nightfall PVP Preview event will kick off on Friday, July 28 at 12:01am PDT and will continue through Sunday, July 30 at 11:59pm PST.

Guild Wars, an instant bestseller worldwide upon its release in April 2005, and Guild Wars Factions, the number one game in both North America and Europe earlier this year, are global online roleplaying games. Guild Wars Nightfall will continue the tradition of inviting players to immerse themselves in an epic storyline centered in a vibrant fantasy setting, build personalized characters, compete in head-to-head battles with players from around the world, and find adventure in missions and quests, in a Guild Wars game unlike any players have seen before.

About ArenaNet
ArenaNet, located in Bellevue, Washington, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NCsoft Corporation. ArenaNet has built a state-of-the-art interactive game network and develops premier multiplayer online games for dedicated game players. ArenaNet's titles, Guild Wars and Guild Wars Factions, are global online roleplaying games that allow gamers to play with anyone, anytime, and anywhere in the world. More information about ArenaNet can be found at www.arena.net.

About NCsoft Corporation
NCsoft North America is headquartered in Austin, Texas and is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation. NCsoft, with its own development and publishing offices in Texas and California, also works with other NCsoft subsidiaries and third party developers throughout North America to develop and publish innovative online entertainment software products. The company has successfully launched multiple online titles in the last three years and continues to support its AAA franchises that include Lineage®/Lineage II, City of Heroes®/City of VillainsTM, Guild Wars/Guild Wars Factions and Auto Assault®. More information about NCsoft can be found at http://www.plaync.com.

DONT LIE TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY ITS A PRESS RELEASE FROM ANET WHEN ITS NOT.

mega_jamie · Sep 11, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Thats the PVP press release, have you looked at the press release where they announce release dates / game contents?

maybe its in that one Glory?

GloryFox · Sep 11, 2006, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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posted by mega_jamie
Thats the PVP press release, have you looked at the press release where they announce release dates / game contents?

maybe its in that one Glory?

Yes you are correct that is the press release ANET released on the 18th. Saphatorael claims the post he made with alleged details is a press release. I simply posted what the real post was on the 18th thus showing he lied to the public either by mistake or with intent.

Currently there is no POST by ANET on the GW MAIN website stating Nightfall details such as number of skills etc. My best guess is that ANET will not post such a thing and just release the game.

Here is the Press Release for the Global Release Date. Again please read it carfuly you will see there are no details on the number of Guild Halls, Skills, etc.

http://www.guildwars.com/press/relea...2006-08-24.php

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Press Release - August 24, 2006

ArenaNet and NCsoft Announce October 27 as Global Release Date for Guild Wars Nightfall

Box Art Debuted and Premium Items Announced for Collector's Edition

August 24, 2006 (BELLEVUE, WA) — ArenaNet® and NCsoft® today announced that Guild Wars NightfallTM, the next game in the award-winning and critically-acclaimed Guild Wars® franchise, will be available in stores worldwide October 27, 2006. The news was announced today from the Guild Wars FactionsTM World Championship in Leipzig, Germany.

In this third Guild Wars campaign, players must fight to hold back the night as a mad ruler attempts to free an outcast god and bring darkness to the continent of Elona. But players won't fight alone. Guild Wars Nightfall introduces new customizable Heroes who level up, follow player instructions in combat, and use skills and equipment of the player's choosing. These Heroes will follow the player through savage coasts, ancient monuments, and poisonous deserts during an epic story that spans twenty missions and hundreds of quests. And for the ultimate one-on-one challenge, competitive players can choose to enter the new Hero vs. Hero Battles, where they group with a custom team of Heroes and fight against other players from around the world and their customized groups of Heroes.

Guild Wars Nightfall will be available in both Standard and Collector's Editions. The highly-coveted, limited run, Collector's Edition will include the Guild Wars Nightfall game as well as a Making of Guild Wars Nightfall behind-the-scenes DVD, a collector's art book, collectible skill pins, a character mini-standee, a poster-sized map of Elona, the Guild Wars Nightfall soundtrack CD, and more.

Guild Wars, an instant bestseller worldwide upon its release in April 2005, and Guild Wars Factions, the number one game in both North America and Europe earlier this year, are global online roleplaying games. Guild Wars Nightfall continues the tradition of inviting players to immerse themselves in an epic storyline centered in a vibrant fantasy setting. Eager fans can get the Guild Wars Nightfall Prerelease Bonus Pack in stores on September 15, and the Guild Wars Nightfall Standard Edition and Guild Wars Nightfall Collector's Edition on October 27, 2006.

About ArenaNet
ArenaNet, located in Bellevue, Washington, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NCsoft Corporation. ArenaNet has built a state-of-the-art interactive game network and develops premier multiplayer online games for dedicated game players. ArenaNet's titles, Guild Wars and Guild Wars Factions, are global online roleplaying games that allow gamers to play with anyone, anytime, and anywhere in the world. More information about ArenaNet can be found at www.arena.net.

About NCsoft Corporation
NCsoft North America is headquartered in Austin, Texas and is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation. NCsoft, with its own development and publishing offices in Texas and California, also works with other NCsoft subsidiaries and third party developers throughout North America to develop and publish innovative online entertainment software products. The company has successfully launched multiple online titles in the last three years and continues to support its franchises that include Lineage®/Lineage II, City of Heroes®/City of Villains®, Guild Wars/Guild Wars Factions and Auto Assault®. More information about NCsoft can be found at http://www.plaync.com.

DidiMeow · Sep 11, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I almost can't believe that nobody mentioned this. Characters in Guild Wars have two professions.

If you're looking for expanded Ritualist options, you will get them when a new set of Monk (or whatever) skills are introduced. Chapter-related extension professions are very clearly intended to act as specialists and variants on the core professions. It's almost written in the Factions manual that the Ritualist is a fine friend for the letters Mo and Ne and that the Assassin is what a Wa/Me would look like if a Warrior and a Mesmer could adopt a starving child from Giber and raise it on their hardline fundamentalist Balthalyssian values.

Maybe you're playing an As/Rt or are planning on a De/Pa (why) for Nightfall. Maybe there's a price to pay for running extension characters without the strong backbone that the core professions provide, and that price might be stagnating. Either deal with the limited pool of skills that you sign up for when you make an As/Rt, and do the best you can do to develop a solid build that works for what you want to accomplish, or give that crap up and just switch to /Me. It's a call. Make it.

The opinion that the skills for the Assassin and Ritualist class will be useless in subsequent chapters is an idiot. Please take it out back and shoot it before it kills a litter of puppies with exceptionally heavy petting. Ritualists will have no place in PvP post-Nightfall in the same way that Warriors quit using skills from Prophecies and never looked back when Factions came out.

Several other people have mentioned the distinct possibility of skill tweaks and minor changes. Worth repeating.

Think a little. Please?

samcobra · Sep 11, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Either way, if there are no new skills for my rit, I am going to use the extreme surfeit of skill points she will have to unlock new skills from other professions.

Just my 2 cents.

achilles ankle · Sep 11, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Was it just me or did it seem that there were very few dervish/paragon skills compared to other proffesions. I hope that there will be other skills, if not its going to be kinda dissapointing b/c there were like less than 5 elites for the paragon if i can recall. as to the topic lol, i dont think there will be any new sin/rit skills in nightfall. If they introduce it as a "stand alone" game, then no but if they finally admit it as an expansion, then maybe

Still not gonna stop me from bringing my sin to nighfall campaign.

GloryFox · Sep 11, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Was it just me or did it seem that there were very few dervish/paragon skills compared to other proffesions.

Sometimes in order to proceed you need to know where you are. I think the PvP event accomplished several things.

1 Showed the strength and weakness of each of the new classes
2 Allowed feedback from the community on what the classes could need
3 Publicity

I think you will see some more (maybe not all) skills and more elite skills for the PvE event. Not to worry even after the PvE event they will make some final tweaks to the classes and make some more skills or change what is already developed until the final release of the game. They did the same thing for Factions. Anyone remember Panaku aggroing everything in sight on day one?

It is my hope that they will also show some of the new SIN and RIT skills, if anything for PvP sake, they have been working on these last few weeks. This said it is still not confirmed by ANET they will add new SIN and RIT skills. The only evidence of new SIN and RIT skills is the PC Gamer interview and that has not been confirmed by ANET yet.

LiamR · Sep 11, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Domino

That's like giving someone a Homelands deck from Magic the Gathering, and trying to use it in a Ravnica tournament. The newer cards are simply more powerfull than the older ones (save for some exceptions mind you).

You realise how nerdy that sounds, right?

Mordakai · Sep 11, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Damn, Glory Fox, chill out!

As you say, nothing is confirmed yet, so it's best just to be patient and see.

TheRanger · Sep 11, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

I was just curious if they are going to add new dagger skins with the Nightfalll release. I've heard that they are not adding new skills to the Assassins and Rits, but does this mean they are not going to add dagger skins as well?

KoalaMeatPie · Sep 12, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

There will not be any aditional content for Sins or Rts in Nightfall (As far as items go) Why? or how do I know?
each Guild Wars Chapter is Self Standing, Why would there be content drop for other classes? It's Useless to them.